Vivid, Mai 2008Building Roma23/06/2008 | Andrew Begg Vivid meets Leslie Hawke, the co-founder of Ovidiu Rom, a prominent Romanian charity that aims to see every child in school and on the path to high school graduation by the year 2020
Present day Romania sees an inverse relation between child literacy and school abandonment, with literacy continuing to fall and school abandonment tripling for some age groups in the last five years.
- Picture: Johannes Kruse. Vivid: You recently wrote a white paper report you titled, Learning from America’s Mistakes: A Proposal for Closing the Education Gap between children of Roma descent and the National Averages in the European Union, starting with Romania. That sounds pretty ambitious. Leslie Hawke: Well, I’ve always felt there were many similarities between the situation of Roma here and that of blacks in the US given the history of slavery in both countries. There are many lessons we can transfer because a lot of data has accumulated over the past fifty years. We should import their best practices and avoid implementing programmes and strategies here that failed there. So does that imply your programmes are only for Roma? The irony is that some Roma NGOs resent us because we are not exclusively focused on Roma, and some ethnic Romanians resent us because most of our clients are of Roma descent. Ovidiu Rom’s work is not about “Roma” or “non-Roma”, it’s about eradicating multi-generational poverty in Romania. But the fact remains that the average educational attainment of Roma is six grades in school – and the national average is eleven grades. I feel strongly that Romania must face the fact that the lower level of schooling among Roma children is a national crisis in the making, and therefore, it’s really everybody’s problem. It is completely unrealistic to expect Roma NGOs, the Soros network, and the Ministry of Education to solve such an enormous constellation of issues all by themselves. What ARE the current literacy trends? I recall you saying they were actually worsening, but that was some time ago. Wait a minute. You say one in four children in Romania is Roma? That’s pretty hard to believe. Of course, I’m in favour of helping kids go to high school – and Ovidiu Rom has a scholarship programme for the special cases that make it that far – but there are a lot of poor kids out there, both rural and urban, who can’t qualify for high school because their early education was so poor. We have got to start at the beginning, not in the middle, if we really want to raise the education level. It’s no mystery how you raise a country’s education level. But it is expensive and complex and it takes a generation to see significant results. Sadly, international aid organisations don’t seem to have the stamina to undertake 20 year social programmes – so there are a lot of failures out there, and a lot of jaded aid workers. Basically, to turn the tide, you have to provide impoverished children with the things that affluent parents give their own children. Things like healthcare, beginning at the prenatal stage; decent living conditions, and nourishing food; early stimulation in the home followed by early formal education; the personal interest of competent teachers; and parental involvement. You’ll notice I didn’t mention new schools or scholarships for the gifted and talented. Those things are nice to have, but they will never make up for nutritional and intellectual deprivation in early childhood. The good news is that Romania is the size of Oregon – and has a population equal to the greater New York area. If Romania really wants to reverse this downward spiral, it certainly has the capacity to do so, especially with the influx of EU structural funds.
The literacy rate continues to decline, and the school abandonment rate has doubled for the primary grades and tripled for the middle grades (up to grade 8).
- Picture: Johannes Kruse. To what extent has the government bought into your recommendations? I am proud to say that over the past eight years we have shown that integrated services, teacher training, and collaboration with local authorities really do work. We have refined our methodology, and now we have started to ‘take our show on the road’ so to speak. We are focusing on providing teacher training, consultation to local authorities, policy advocacy and public awareness. I don’t want Ovidiu Rom to be perceived as some kind of social service ’boutique’. In the first place, it’s very difficult to maintain adequate funding for long-term self-contained projects due to “donor fatigue” and secondly, isolated projects don’t fundamentally change anything. I’m very pragmatic. If I’m going to spend my life trying to increase opportunities for poor children to rise out of abject poverty (and that IS my goal) I want to be working for real, widespread, long-term results – not just a few phenomenal success stories for the newsletter. What’s the hardest thing about your work? What about the poverty you see in the field. Doesn’t that get you down? Speaking of fundraising, the Halloween Ball has become the event of the Bucharest social calendar year, bar none. It must be an awful lot of work, but it really is the closest thing Bucharest has to a grand community effort. To what extent did the Halloween Ball represent a realisation that the Romanian corporate sector would become your prime source of funding? Because prior to that, you looked to the US for funds. So, Leslie Hawke, are you as optimistic about Romania as you were in 2004 when Vivid first interviewed you? More about Ovidiu Rom can be found at www.ovid.ro, and Leslie Hawke can be reached at hawke@ovid.ro
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